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Post  Toad on Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:54 am

Here's a snippet I culled from an rFactor discussion about GT1 that seems to me to have some relevance to this Redline class construction thread.

"First, no team ever actually publishes the "real" numbers. The best you'll ever get is a dumbed-down rounded number intended for the masses. Next, there's reality and then there are simulations. Creating an ultra-realistic mod in exacting detail would be fine for a single chassis mod and it's repetitively easy too, however the full version of this mod has 21 cars that all race together at the same time. If we were to be dogmatic with the ultra realistic thought it would inevitably lead to one or two cars dominating over the others in class. And the rest of the cars sitting in the showroom making pretty pictures and little else. This is not, nor has it ever been the goal for this mod. The goal is encourage and promote good, solid, inter-class and intra-class, racing. And to achieve a good balance of multi-class competition you occasionally need to fudge the numbers a bit in order to make the competition a better and ultimately more fun."
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Post  See Flat on Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:00 am

And I believe this is what Tomte wmeant when he said... "some people care more about realism and other more about gameplay"
there is a balance somewhere in there.

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Post  Valentin K on Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:51 am

Given the fact that especially the latest additions aren't exactly balanced to the general pace of the existing GT3 class and with several details of the car files out of date, I think it would be senseful to get this train going again.
Right now I have some time to work on balancing and improving - the entire class must be updated - so I have gathered some reference info.

On perfect laps, GT3 cars get approximate laptimes of:

7:10 - Nürburgring Nordschleife
2:15 - Mount Panorama Bathurst
2:05 - Silverstone Arena

I'll just go ahead and throw my first result of the rebalancing in the ring:
The Gallardo GT3-R got a couple of fixes realism-wise and a reworked suspension setup, one that might actually deserve to be called 'race suspension'.
Note: Do not drive this car hard on the Nordschleife when you have problems with your spine and generally avoid treating this car like a road car when you use curbs. Grass is not what this car was made for driving on, curbs are usable but have to be used with caution!
If noone disagrees, this will be the benchmark for the other cars of this class - so please let me know what you think.

http://www.lambocars.com/gallardo/gallardo_gt3-r_by_reiter_engineering_specifications.html

Note: Name changed to start with 'GT3'

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Post  Valentin K on Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:51 pm

Keeping in mind the euphoria about the lovely new track, I would still have expected a little more input on this class rebalancing proposal & my test car file.. scratch
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Post  Pax-raider on Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:44 pm

Valentin K wrote:Keeping in mind the euphoria about the lovely new track, I would still have expected a little more input on this class rebalancing proposal & my test car file.. scratch

Sorry, my fault. santa

Not sure what kind of benchmark this is setting, or do you mean in all respects ie: speed, handling, braking etc?
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Post  Valentin K on Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:58 pm

Sorry, and Yes. In all respects, and also very importantly suspension behavior.
I shortened them heavily and changed some strength/friction settings to make the cars feel more like real race cars.
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Post  Valentin K on Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:51 pm

...so, what do you people think? I have several other car files in the pipe, but I don't see a reason for putting up any of them when the performance and driving feel of this one don't satisfy anyone...
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Post  Tomte on Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:34 am

Patience my dear. It's the festive period, some people have actually other things to do than spend time testing car configurations.

On a short note: while it very nice to have a Nürburgring laptime as reference, I think it is useless for Redline car setup tests. If you can drive 10 laps consistently within the same 10th of a second in a row, then you might actually get some usable results. If not, actual driving ability has more impact than the car's setup.

Btw, if anybody wants to rebalance the 968 or drop it from competiton for good, go ahead. I don't have time for it.

And happy new year! Smile
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Post  Valentin K on Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:06 pm

Um, err, ok. Laughing

Just to let you all know - I will be releasing a first test pack shortly here on this forum. However, there is one minor question: New Topic or this one?
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Post  Valentin K on Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:12 pm

First test pack:

Download

I also published this on ASW.
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Post  DonaemouS on Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:47 pm

nice work Val and me standing him

I will test and check the .car to see if all fit well. But, in first, let's see how the others will react to the new cars...

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Post  alphonse on Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:09 pm

Thanks for your effort Vale,

a MP-race does not proove anything i fear.
And i have no power to do real test drives these days (weeks, months).

but ill take a look at them Wink

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Post  Valentin K on Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:32 pm

Test Pack T2 now available: Download
As usual, I also published it on ASW (changelog in the first post of the ASW GT3 Rebalancing topic).
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